Second of a three-part, edited transcript of a Wednesday interview by editors and reporters of The Washington Times with syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin and Bryan Preston, executive producer of HotAir.com:
Mr. McCain: What do you think about the situation with Don Imus?
Mrs. Malkin: I think it was coming to him. He had it coming to him. I don't have any sympathy for him, but you know, the whole debacle exposed a lot of hypocrisy everywhere. I certainly didn't like to see all the Nervous Nellying among some of the radio talk show hosts who were decrying critics of Imus. But, you know, the column I'd written the week that it all came out highlighted all of the disgusting stuff that's on the Billboard Hot Rap Tracks every week and that stuff is still going on. I understand that the NAACP just declared the death of the "n-word" -- that hasn't gotten around to the hip-hop world, not the last time I turned on the radio.
Brian DeBose, national reporter: The rap issue has been out there for quite some time. I think people have forgot about Dolores Tucker and Dionne Warwick -- obviously, Tipper Gore in the '80s who sort of highlighted this, and at that time, it was moving in that direction. And it sort of got ignored and in the '90s, it sort of fell off the table. The misogyny was there, the vulgarity. But I wanted to ask you, why is it that people are not discussing this journey that has taken place, and then all of a sudden, Don Imus says something and everyone's talking about it?
Mrs. Malkin: I guess I disagree with the premise, because someone like Bill O'Reilly has been doing it all along, you know, with his challenge of Ludacris, and a lot of social conservatives have never forgotten it. It's not like it dropped off the radar screen. It's just that I think the Imus thing really just brought to light that this cancer has been metastasizing for so long, and it's not from nowhere that Don Imus felt like that it would be perfectly acceptable to say the things that he did. I mean, he hears it all the time, probably, and figured, "Well, why not me?"
Audrey Hudson, national reporter: Who should replace Rosie O'Donnell [on ABC's "The View"], and when Elizabeth [Hasselbeck] goes on maternity leave, will you audition?
Mrs. Malkin: I just blogged today about Roseanne Barr -- I think she's going to be a perfect match to sit in Rosie's chair, figuratively. She's anti-Mormon, anti-Israel, pro-conspiracy theory -- check, check, check. I don't even know that they would replace Elizabeth while she's gone. Well, they never did replace Starr [Jones]. Maybe by attrition, all we'll be left with are Barbara [Walters] and Joy [Behar]. Oh, me? No way. I don't need that kind of headache.
Mr. Eldridge: You wouldn't be interested in any kind of TV gig like that at all?
Mrs. Malkin: No. No.
Mr. McCain: A lot of people online ask you, will you do your own show? And I know you, in the past, have said no.
Mrs. Hudson: Well, you've got your own show.
Mrs. Malkin: Yeah, I do, it's called "Vent" -- I'm on there, at HotAir.com. The videoblog has been such a great adventure. We just celebrated our one-year anniversary, and there are things we do there that we couldn't possibly do on cable news, let alone ...
Mr. Eldridge: Like your cheerleading routine.
Mrs. Malkin: Yeah, exactly.
Mr. McCain: You've been a harsh critic of the "Girls Gone Wild" culture, and also of celebrities like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears. How does that fit in as a part of the incivility we see so much in contemporary culture?
Mrs. Malkin: I think the cheapening of women in society has everything to do with incivility in the culture, and I'm glad that these liberal women bloggers are seeing that now. I wish that they would see that a lot of that incivility has been directed at conservative women. And I wish that they were more outspoken, not only about the domestic "Girls Gone Wild" situation, but also about the role of women being oppressed around the world. We talk about that a lot, at my blog and at Hot Air. I know I'm going all over the place, but it is all of a piece.
I posted a video that is on YouTube now of one of the Iranian women being dragged by the mullah police into a car because she wasn't covered properly. You never hear feminist decrying what's going on there. No, what you get is Rosie O'Donnell being an apologist for Ahmahdinejad, and Sheryl Crow lecturing us about how big our toilet-paper squares should be.
I guess there are people who think that these things are contradictory. On the one hand, decrying the situation being policed for not being modest enough and then, at the same time, worrying about immodesty in American culture. I don't think those things are contradictory. It is all about freedom and choice, and in the case of criticizing the "Girls Gone Wild" culture, I'm saying that parents should be directing more of their own personal responsibility and urging young women to make the right choices.
I don't think we do enough of that. And, actually, I just finished doing a lecture at St. Louis University on this, and we talked about the "Girls Gone Wild" culture. On the one hand, you have Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, and on the other hand, you have hip-hop culture, and I think the confluence of those things is very dangerous and poisonous.
I have a 6-and-a-half-year-old daughter and I look at this stuff. She cannot watch me on O'Reilly anymore, because even in primetime on Fox, the stuff that they show -- during the family hour -- I can't have her watch me on TV. It's gotten that bad.
Mr. McCain: I saw you on ["The O'Reilly Factor"] with [Malik Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party] -- he called you a prostitute to your face. Was he on the set with you?
Mrs. Malkin: No, no. He was in D.C., I was in New York. We'd had a run-in with him before because we were at the Danish Embassy last February ... I think that's why he had such a chip on his shoulder.
Mr. DeBose: I've known him since he came out of Howard [University] and he ran for City Council here. And then, miraculously, he got involved with the Black Panther Party. I thought that was strange at the time, but then he took it to place that I never thought that he was going to go. I ended up having to stop associating with him. He's angry about something that I don't think he's aware of. And I think it's just, he wants this notoriety. And people bring him on [television], and I'm like, "Well, you're on there -- what are you still angry about?"
Mr. Preston: It's not like you're being suppressed, you're on O'Reilly, the top-rated cable show.
Mrs. Malkin: Well, that was his last appearance on "The O'Reilly Factor." On the Monday after that show, [Mr. O'Reilly] gave a statement. He said he was not going to have him on, and that in any case, [Mr. Shabazz] was a fringe character and a radical, and he didn't really represent anyone.
And I strongly disagree with that, because you know what? There is a large constituency of people who have that exact same opinion. He was just -- he had the [courage] to say it to my face. At least I give him credit for that.
But you know, I come across this notion that somehow I must be a prostitute for the white man because the views that I espouse, and there's no other reason, then I must be getting paid, that I would say anything I say.
Mr. DeBose: We've gotten into it with me working here.
Mrs. Malkin: I'm sure. So you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Mr. Preston: One of the big accusations that's leveled at her all the time is that she's a puppet for somebody, and I got to tell you, anybody that tries to make a puppet out of her is going to have a stump for an arm. It's not going to work.